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Archive 8

Annie retrieves a carded pigeon.
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Total Messages Loaded: 293

 Sam M. -:- Dogs of Summer -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 22:37:19 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Dogs of Summer -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:46:02 (PDT)

Ryan -:- Pike Creek Mike, Fiddler vs Miller vs Elhew vs. etc -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 16:21:03 (PDT)
_ Maurice -:- Re: Pike Creek Mike, Fiddler vs Miller vs Elhew vs. etc -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 18:06:37 (PDT)

Pat -:- Is this bizarre? -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:45:07 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Is this bizarre? -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:06:51 (PDT)

JOE BOLLIN -:- GUN SENSITIVE -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 19:48:06 (PDT)
_ Scott -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:30:32 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:08:17 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:03:39 (PDT)
__ JOE BOLLIN -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:17:47 (PDT)
___ Vic -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 21:16:23 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 21:34:52 (PDT)
_____ Hombre -:- Re: GUN SENSITIVE -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:35:54 (PDT)

Pat -:- Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 17:53:32 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 22:05:15 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:01:47 (PDT)
__ Pat -:- Re: Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:24:59 (PDT)
___ Hombre -:- Re: Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:53:49 (PDT)
____ Torkel -:- Re: Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 01:03:43 (PDT)
_____ Hombre -:- Re: Tracking vs. Pointing -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:52:23 (PDT)

Reed F. Davis -:- Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:56:27 (PDT)
_ Reed F. Davis -:- Re: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 05:56:51 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:57:12 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:25:33 (PDT)

George Wolf -:- New dog - 1st Britt -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 20:30:54 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: New dog - 1st Britt -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 04:10:08 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: New dog - 1st Britt -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:30:53 (PDT)
__ Blake B. -:- Re: New dog - 1st Britt -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:03:01 (PDT)

Al -:- breeding cycle during hunting season? -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:47:57 (PDT)
_ Torkel -:- Re: breeding cycle during hunting season? -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 00:30:40 (PDT)
__ Bob K -:- Re: breeding cycle during hunting season? -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 04:54:04 (PDT)

Brian -:- Hardmouth - Update -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:24:47 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Hardmouth - Update -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:50:08 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Hardmouth - Update -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:54:19 (PDT)

Jeff Granger -:- Beeper Question -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:20:23 (PDT)
_ TommyG -:- Re: Beeper Question -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:51:36 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Beeper Question -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:05:17 (PDT)

John D. -:- Restraining a Quail's Wing -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:08:45 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Restraining a Quail's Wing -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:30 (PDT)

Tboy -:- Chukars v Quail -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:53:44 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: Chukars v Quail -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:27:55 (PDT)
__ Vic S. -:- Re: Chukars v Quail -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 17:50:25 (PDT)
___ Hombre -:- Re: Chukars v Quail -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 18:34:47 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: Chukars v Quail -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:09:46 (PDT)

mike -:- chukar droppings -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 15:58:05 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: chukar droppings -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 21:35:12 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: chukar droppings -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 21:07:11 (PDT)

Pat -:- Dog's hearing -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:39:52 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Dog's hearing -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:37:36 (PDT)

Sean -:- What should Iexpect? -:- Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 22:45:21 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: What should Iexpect? -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:22:09 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: What should Iexpect? -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 21:47:10 (PDT)
_ R.V. -:- Re: What should Iexpect? -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 17:44:20 (PDT)
_ r. -:- Re: What should Iexpect? -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 17:35:38 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: What should Iexpect? -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 14:48:24 (PDT)

Patricia Lippolis -:- Need Help -:- Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 20:03:55 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: Need Help -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:15:14 (PDT)

Brian -:- Tri-Tronics Pro 500 -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 15:02:00 (PDT)
_ Keith -:- Re: Tri-Tronics Pro 500 -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:15:26 (PDT)

Vic -:- Recall pen -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 14:38:57 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Recall pen -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 18:33:43 (PDT)
__ Vic S. -:- Re: Recall pen -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 20:28:12 (PDT)
___ Hombre -:- Re: Recall pen -:- Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 08:29:09 (PDT)
____ Vic -:- Re: Recall pen -:- Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 08:53:05 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: Recall pen -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:58:17 (PDT)
______ Sam M. -:- Re: Recall pen -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 21:11:48 (PDT)

Pat from Ontario -:- 'Terrible Twos' -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 07:37:35 (PDT)
_ Keith -:- Re: 'Terrible Twos' -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:24:57 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: 'Terrible Twos' -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:32:25 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: 'Terrible Twos' -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:01:08 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: 'Terrible Twos' -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:21:24 (PDT)
___ Geo -:- Re: 'Terrible Twos' -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 12:42:16 (PDT)

jon -:- what to feed pigeons -:- Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 19:58:07 (PDT)
_ Scott -:- Re: what to feed pigeons -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:01:35 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: what to feed pigeons -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:27:29 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: what to feed pigeons -:- Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 10:34:53 (PDT)
___ Blake B. -:- Re: what to feed pigeons -:- Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:12:43 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: what to feed pigeons -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:20:25 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: what to feed pigeons -:- Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 20:12:31 (PDT)

Dave S. -:- dove hunting -:- Thurs, Aug 31, 2000 at 17:27:22 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: dove hunting -:- Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:13:53 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: dove hunting -:- Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 07:43:35 (PDT)

mike -:- whistle commands -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 19:05:16 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: whistle commands -:- Thurs, Aug 31, 2000 at 07:21:44 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- new message board? -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 14:55:39 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: new message board? -:- Thurs, Aug 31, 2000 at 13:25:56 (PDT)

Youngblood -:- Conditioning -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:43:55 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: Conditioning -:- Thurs, Aug 31, 2000 at 07:12:14 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- We need your help! -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:33:43 (PDT)

Brian -:- Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 08:03:14 (PDT)
_ Scott -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 08:48:25 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 08:47:50 (PDT)
__ Brian -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 09:07:07 (PDT)
___ Geo -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:26:34 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:19:22 (PDT)
____ Brian -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:54:48 (PDT)
_____ Geo -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Thurs, Aug 31, 2000 at 07:00:15 (PDT)
______ Hombre -:- Re: Hard Mouth -:- Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 13:26:44 (PDT)

Back40 -:- Gsp range -:- Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 14:47:11 (PDT)
_ Maurice -:- Re: Gsp range -:- Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 18:02:05 (PDT)

Brian -:- NAVHDA Natural Ability -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 07:58:41 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: NAVHDA Natural Ability -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:22:22 (PDT)
__ Brian -:- Re: NAVHDA Natural Ability -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:26:42 (PDT)
___ Geo -:- Re: NAVHDA Natural Ability -:- Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 07:00:01 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: NAVHDA Natural Ability -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:40:30 (PDT)

peter -:- not retreiving bird -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 07:33:30 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: not retreiving bird -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:46:36 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: not retreiving bird -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 12:35:47 (PDT)

JB in KC -:- busting up birds -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 07:57:55 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: busting up birds -:- Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 12:12:33 (PDT)
__ JB in KC -:- Re: busting up birds -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:27:13 (PDT)
___ Hombre -:- Re: busting up birds -:- Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 07:50:55 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: busting up birds -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 07:22:43 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: busting up birds -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 09:06:21 (PDT)

krust -:- won't let go of bird -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:52:17 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: won't let go of bird -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 17:48:27 (PDT)
__ krust -:- Re: won't let go of bird -:- Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 16:25:21 (PDT)

Jeff W -:- Upland gun Barrel length -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:22:47 (PDT)
_ Mike G -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:29:21 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 06:30:04 (PDT)
___ Mike G -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:43:07 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 06:29:40 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 12:48:16 (PDT)
_ John D. -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 11:10:18 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Upland gun Barrel length -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:41:23 (PDT)

John Markello -:- FIRST POINTER -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 07:50:32 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: FIRST POINTER -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 08:32:04 (PDT)

John Markello -:- First Pointer!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 18:09:59 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: First Pointer!!! -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 06:10:50 (PDT)
__ John D. -:- Re: First Pointer!!! -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 06:40:40 (PDT)
___ Raul -:- Re: First Pointer!!! -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:14:39 (PDT)
____ Geo -:- Re: First Pointer!!! -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 08:37:22 (PDT)
___ Hombre -:- Re: First Pointer!!! -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 07:48:08 (PDT)
____ Ray Gubernat -:- Re: First Pointer!!! -:- Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:40:12 (PDT)

duncansstorm -:- busting birds -:- Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 18:44:33 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: busting birds -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:10:37 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: busting birds -:- Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 20:06:07 (PDT)

Hombre -:- Making a dog staunch -:- Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 14:13:51 (PDT)

Bob -:- Ranging -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 21:35:52 (PDT)
_ John D. -:- Re: Ranging -:- Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 06:59:37 (PDT)

Mike G -:- Groaning or growling -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:45:04 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Groaning or growling -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:33:30 (PDT)
__ Mike G -:- Re: Groaning or growling -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:29:22 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Groaning or growling -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 11:54:27 (PDT)
_ Scott -:- Re: Groaning or growling -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 11:24:00 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Groaning or growling -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 10:32:40 (PDT)

Hombre -:- Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:53:35 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:22:39 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:39:33 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 16:57:51 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:57:43 (PDT)
___ Hombre -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:54:04 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:59:04 (PDT)
_____ Hombre -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 07:44:55 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: Teaching to handle a walking bird -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 22:14:26 (PDT)

Hombre -:- Tumor problems -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 23:09:15 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: Tumor problems -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:54:41 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: Tumor problems -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 15:31:28 (PDT)
___ geo -:- Re: Tumor problems -:- Tues, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:17:18 (PDT)

Vic S. -:- coat/skin improvement -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 18:34:33 (PDT)
_ Patricia -:- Re: coat/skin improvement -:- Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 20:23:30 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: coat/skin improvement -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 22:54:36 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: coat/skin improvement -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:46:55 (PDT)
___ Vic S. -:- Re: coat/skin improvement -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 22:32:49 (PDT)

Brett -:- young pup under foot -:- Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 20:39:18 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: young pup under foot -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 08:32:22 (PDT)

wacnstac -:- bird hunting and dogs article -:- Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 16:31:21 (PDT)

Geo -:- Upland Guns -:- Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 11:37:02 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:54:21 (PDT)
_ John D. -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 08:13:57 (PDT)
__ Leo -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 20:22:12 (PDT)
__ Mike G -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 12:03:48 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:39:09 (PDT)
__ Brian -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:09:24 (PDT)
_ Mike G -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 07:05:10 (PDT)
_ Scott -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 06:59:38 (PDT)
_ Tom -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 17:35:12 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 07:44:59 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 09:33:30 (PDT)
___ Vic S. -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 10:08:45 (PDT)
____ Hombre -:- Re: Upland Guns -:- Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 10:49:49 (PDT)

Ed -:- Training Club -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 12:20:47 (PDT)
_ JOE BOLLIN -:- Re: Training Club -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:14:02 (PDT)
_ JOE BOLLIN -:- Re: Training Club -:- Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:11:50 (PDT)
_ Vic S. -:- Re: Training Club -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 18:53:14 (PDT)
__ Ed -:- Re: Training Club -:- Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 07:53:59 (PDT)

Brian -:- Jogging -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 07:48:18 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: Jogging -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 10:01:47 (PDT)

B2 -:- I'm scared now! -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 09:39:30 (PDT)
_ Eric S. -:- Re: Dear Bruce -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 19:58:26 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: pup in house -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 20:40:33 (PDT)
_ Scott -:- Re: I'm scared now! -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 14:52:23 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: I'm scared now! -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:44:17 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: I'm scared now! -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:34:58 (PDT)
_ Maurice -:- Re: I'm scared now! -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:20:20 (PDT)
__ Vic S. -:- Re: I'm scared now! -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 19:20:16 (PDT)
__ Hombre -:- Re: Maurice's advice -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:39:21 (PDT)
___ jeff -:- Re: Maurice's advice -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 13:59:52 (PDT)

Brian -:- Picking Up Pup? -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 08:13:08 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Picking Up Pup? -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:19:53 (PDT)

Brian -:- Changing Direction and Watch -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 07:44:12 (PDT)
_ Dave C -:- Re: Changing Direction and Watch -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 20:12:46 (PDT)
__ Brian -:- Re: Changing Direction and Watch -:- Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 07:45:22 (PDT)
_ Geo -:- Re: Changing Direction and Watch -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:28:07 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Changing Direction and Watch -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:51:22 (PDT)

Wyobird -:- Older Dog: How to Steady? -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 15:23:56 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Older Dog: How to Steady? -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 17:25:30 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Vacation -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 15:08:27 (PDT)
_ Dave C -:- Re: Vacation -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 17:52:04 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Vacation -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 17:27:54 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: Vacation -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:21:16 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Thanks for your thoughts (no message). -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 07:41:18 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- More on US Dog Owners vs USFWS -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 14:15:41 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- GSP Owners -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 17:32:13 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: GSP Owners -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 18:41:50 (PDT)

Corey -:- Water and a Weim -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:20:42 (PDT)
_ Robert Vater -:- Re: Water and a Weim -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 19:08:11 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: Water and a Weim -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 15:03:40 (PDT)
_ luckeyjeff -:- Re: Water and a Weim -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 14:39:30 (PDT)

kcomer -:- enlish setter training -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 11:20:25 (PDT)
_ Dave C -:- Re: enlish setter training -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 18:12:35 (PDT)
__ kcomer -:- Re: enlish setter training -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 05:27:04 (PDT)

Hombre -:- Delmar Smith and teaching heel -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:51:57 (PDT)

Ed -:- Hard Headed Pointer -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 21:25:19 (PDT)
_ Steve -:- Re: Hard Headed Pointer -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 14:55:31 (PDT)
__ Ed -:- Re: Hard Headed Pointer -:- Thurs, Aug 17, 2000 at 14:10:57 (PDT)
_ ombre -:- Re: Hard Headed Pointer -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:47:02 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Poll results: field trial pups as hunting dogs -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 13:06:35 (PDT)

Kelly -:- Moving along in training -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 16:02:39 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: Moving along in training -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 08:38:27 (PDT)
__ Maurice -:- Re: Moving along in training -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 09:32:55 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Moving along in training -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 17:18:41 (PDT)
__ Geo -:- Re: Moving along in training -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 10:07:40 (PDT)

Mike G -:- Doggie in a window -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 12:17:23 (PDT)
_ Mike Grandick -:- Re: Doggie in a window -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 19:31:31 (PDT)
_ Mike Grandick -:- Re: Doggie in a window -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 19:31:25 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Doggie in a window -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 13:26:45 (PDT)
__ Brian -:- Re: Doggie in a window -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 15:06:56 (PDT)
___ jeff w. -:- Re: Doggie in a window -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 06:52:27 (PDT)
____ Hombre -:- Re: Doggie in a window -:- Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 09:10:10 (PDT)

Lyle -:- pigeons for weims -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:29:19 (PDT)
_ Robert Vater -:- Re: pigeons for weims -:- Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 19:19:56 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: pigeons for weims -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:40:26 (PDT)
__ Lyle -:- Re: pigeons for weims -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:50:05 (PDT)
__ Tom -:- Re: pigeons for weims -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:50:03 (PDT)

Brian -:- Training mistake??? -:- Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 19:24:22 (PDT)
_ Hombre -:- Re: Training mistake??? -:- Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 21:30:45 (PDT)
__ Blake B. -:- Re: Training mistake??? -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 06:41:51 (PDT)

Bob R. -:- Recall pens -:- Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 13:41:38 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Recall pens -:- Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 16:46:53 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Archive of messages -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 23:34:58 (PDT)

Brian -:- Flagging, again -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 14:01:16 (PDT)
_ Adrian -:- Re: Flagging, again -:- Tues, Aug 15, 2000 at 02:38:45 (PDT)
_ Blake B. -:- Re: Flagging, again -:- Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 06:35:16 (PDT)

krust -:- what is best automatic launcher -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 09:30:50 (PDT)
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Subject: Dogs of Summer
From: Sam M.
To: All
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 22:37:19 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com

Message:
To All, Check out some pictures of bird dogs being trained by Lou Gleber at his summer camp in Arnett, Ok. Also see the list of accomplishments won during the 1999 field trial season. Follow the link in Lou's web page titled, 1999 Champions. Thanks, Sam M.
Subject: Re: Dogs of Summer
From: Hombre
To: Sam M.
Date Posted: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:46:02 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AAOL.COM

Message:
WOW Tthanks Sam, reallly outstanding accomplishments and great looking dogs.
Subject: Pike Creek Mike, Fiddler vs Miller vs Elhew vs. etc
From: Ryan
To: All
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 16:21:03 (PDT)
Email Address: nayr005@aol.com

Message:
I have decided on getting a pointer pup. I have already gathered lots of information about the different breeding, but it is obvious the more I learn, the less I know. I was wondering about Pike Creek Mike. How can I find out more information about him? Does anyone know his pedigree or what championships he won? Also, Fiddler vs. Elhew vs. Miller. What are the pluses and minuses of each? Are there other dogs (such as Addition's go boy, gaurd rail, Pike Creek Mike, etc) that I should consider? Who is producing winners now? What dogs? What breeders? Just so its clear, I am looking for a dog to hunt chuckar and quail. I am also interested in getting involved in NBHA. I want a large running (not necessarily ALL AGE), stylish, athletic dog. Doesn't Everyone! he he he This is my first time to this forum. I appreciate all responses. Thanks, Ryan
Subject: Re: Pike Creek Mike, Fiddler vs Miller vs Elhew vs. etc
From: Maurice
To: Ryan
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 18:06:37 (PDT)
Email Address: southerngundog@aol.com

Message:
Ryan I can't tell you about the Pike Creek Mike line, but I have alot of experience with the Fiddler line of dogs. They are tough, some can be a handful to handle if they are not started early. The dogs that I have start early lots of natural talent. They are my favorite bloodline. The Miller dogs are good also not as head strong as the fiddler dogs, just my experience. That would be my 2 choices for what you are wanting. I don't think the elhew line will run like you want a dog too. They are good looking dogs but some of them don't have alot of endurance. Good luck with picking pup, hope you get a winner.
Subject: Is this bizarre?
From: Pat
To: All
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:45:07 (PDT)
Email Address: pat@godinart.com

Message:
Hunters in Ontario, Canada have recently become very concerned about a recent campaign by an anti-hunting group (it may be PETA). This group backed by a wealthy patron was successful a couple of years ago in shutting down the spring bear hunt in the province. Now they are attempting to pressure government to place a ban on the use of hunting dogs. I suspect they initially were targeting the chasing breeds (hounds, etc.) but I don't think they are now making a distinction between those breeds and others (retriever and bird dogs). Wish us luck in trying to deal with this!!!
Subject: Re: Is this bizarre?
From: Hombre
To: Pat
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 11:06:51 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre

Message:
Pat, things are happening everywhere it seems. Here in California a bill was just passed the committee and all it needs and will get according to our lobbiest is a quick passage when it comes up here shortly. It is requiring us to register all handguns, including the ones we already have. It also requires us to get a permit to own them, and to have to keep renewing the permit. It also requires taking a test on a firing range on the use of a handgun. It also requires us to keep the gun in the house and not take it out. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that they are being relagated to home defense only, that handgun huntting is a thing of the past when it passes. I am on the board of directors of the California Sportsman's Lobby, and it is extremely difficult to get sportsmen to contribute funds to help fight these kinds of bills or to do the necessary letter writing that the antigun anti-hunting elements in our society enthusiastically do. Where we have a life and train dogs, go hunting, shoot, camp out and generally doing things we love these couch potato anti's take action with pen and paper and jsut as imnportantly, with their wallets to get rid of hunting and guns, and in your case, dogs. I figure in another fifty years there will be practically no hunting or shooting left in the majority of the states. I am glad I will not be around to see it, and that I got to enjoy the generally open hunting areas of the states I have lived in the past. As you stated above the anti's are backed by wealthy patrons that generously give for what they believe in. Wealthy hunters on the other hand geeenerously give to what they believe in too....... Lavish money spent on guns, hunting trips, dogs etc....... But giving to keep the right to use them are out of question. One wealthy person at a dinner who I spoke to that likes to talk about the thousands of bucks he spends on all I mentioned above, but when advised of what was happening to us here replied 'Well, it does not affect me as I doall most all of my hunting out of state.' Sportsmen do not take action and therefor deserve to lose their what should be rights but are now privileges. Tough truth eh? This is as I see it Hombre
Subject: GUN SENSITIVE
From: JOE BOLLIN
To: TRAINING CENTER
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 19:48:06 (PDT)
Email Address: bollinjoey@yahoo.com

Message:
i have a 5 month old Gsp, he is not gun shy,but is gun sensative.Looking for ideas on how to break him from this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: Scott
To: JOE BOLLIN
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 09:30:32 (PDT)
Email Address: Spetty@lendleaserei.com

Message:
Joe, I have a Vizsla that was also gun sensitive for awhilewhen she was younger. She was very excited about birds but the blanks and then a small 20 guage would make her jump and look at me instead of the falling bird. We quit shooting everything around her for 2 months and would bang a metal pan as hard as I could one time (and only one time) each time we fed her a night. Start in a distant room in the house and make sure she is actively feeding (have the wife watch or bang the pan and you watch) when you hit the pan. She will jump or flinch at first and as she begins to get accustomed to the noise move to a room closer until finally your in the same room and she doesn't even move when you hit the pan, then she's ready to move back to the field and blanks. The start as the others have described (while in chase), then to killing a bird for her until she realized that the Bang means birds in her mouth. Just take it slow ( it make take 1-3 months) and she should come around just fine. Good luck!
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: Blake B.
To: JOE BOLLIN
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:08:17 (PDT)
Email Address: adtrend@aol.com

Message:
Joe: Like the others said, you need to get the dog very excited about birds and let him get into full chase before shooting the gun. I would start letting him chase pigeons, or point and chase. He'll get excited. Do this for a month or so until he really chases, then fire the gun. If he doesn't seem to want to go far in his chasing, use a helper stationed a hundred yards away and let them shoot the gun. Most likely he will still seem a little shaken by the gun, no matter what he does ignore him. If you pet him or talk to him when he comes back he will take this as praise. You are in effect reassuring him that the gun is something to be afraid of. Many young dogs are shocked by the gun at first, they pretty much all get over it quickly.
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: Vic S.
To: JOE BOLLIN
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:03:39 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
Can you expand on 'gun sensitive?' Vic Redlands, CA.
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: JOE BOLLIN
To: Vic S.
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:17:47 (PDT)
Email Address: bollinjoey@yahoo.com

Message:
yes, when i fire a blank pistol, he gets nervouse,and will quit chasing the bird or what ever he is doing and come straight to me. he will jump when the gun goes off, but he will not run away. the 4th of july caused this, i am new to bird dogs,i didnt think about bringing him in on the 4th.
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: Vic
To: JOE BOLLIN
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 21:16:23 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
Others may have better ideas. The way I've acclimated my dogs to guns is to let them chase birds a while to really develop a desire to get 'em. Pigeons on cardboard usually for gun training. Once they are really into it, I'll shoot a blank. Perhaps you can let the dog get farther away so the noise is not loud enough to frighten it but perhaps just a little rest from guns going off will help more. After all, only five months. He won't be prime hunting dog until he's much older so there's no rush. And rushing has ruined more dogs than waiting too long. Basically what I've tried to do is get the dog so intense on getting the bird that it hardly notices the gun going off. Work on developing that intensity, then introduce the gun at a distance and see if that helps. Hope others will have some good advice that may involve another approach. Just use what seems reasonable since you know your dog better than the rest of us. Vic Redlands, CA.
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: Sam M.
To: Vic
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 21:34:52 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com

Message:
Great advice Vic! The suggestion to stop firing the blank gun until the dog has great desire for birds is probably the best thing to do. Joe, be extremely careful as your dog is showing signs of noise sensitivity that can easliy progress into gun slyness. Also, search the Archives for other responds on this topic. Good luck, Sam M.
Subject: Re: GUN SENSITIVE
From: Hombre
To: Sam M.
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:35:54 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
I would agree with all of the advice all of you have given so far if this were a dog that had not been exposed to gunshot. This dog is gunshy already, not gun sensitive and needs more drastic and exacting treatment. As Sam has posted earlier and I have done the same, a pup should be exposed to shot while in chase of a bird, not on point or searching for one, but instead while in full chase. There are a few ways of treating this dog now, but in all cases you need to be beside the dog and someone else fire a gun, at this poing prefferably a small bore. Blakes suggestion of making the dog very birdy first is the best suggestion in here so far. I have posted my method of making a dog very birdy many times and will again now. I usually make the pups birdy at arlound 8 or nine weeks depending on the pup, some will get birdy earlier, some not til later on, but they all will. I hold a bird, usually a large healthy pigeon by it's feet and topple it over so it is trying to fly and right itself, flapping it's wings like crazy. Doing this in front of the pups and waving it around while saying bird bird in an excied voice starts to drive them nuts in a hurry. Do this several times then let them chase a pigeon and catch it that has most of the feathers pulled out of one wing so it cannot take good flight. (nine of the largest flight feathers will do, they can still fly with sevan or eight out) and let the dog catch it. Then you may go to carded pigeons being as your dog is that old and build range and let him start to learn to point. When he is very birdy have one out playing with it like that with a bird in your hand waving it and have someone else fire a shot a good distance off....... say a hundred yards, as the gun goes off let go of the bird while saying bird and chase the bird with the dog..... if he shys do not pay any attention to him other than saying 'get the bird' or yelling bird. A few times of this and you should be on your way. When he is chasing with the shot and not shying bring the gun in closer, keep working it in. Do not return to any other shots without birds in the picture. And I wish you good luck....... you will need it. Hombre
Subject: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Pat
To: All
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 17:53:32 (PDT)
Email Address: pat@godinart.com

Message:
Although I have never run a dog in a NAVHDA test I understand one of the tests is tracking a released bird like a pheasant. I seems that tracking a live or crippled bird would present some degree of conflict with a dog that has been trained to hold a point and especially if he is steady on the flush and shot. Personally I hunt grouse and with their flighty nature I would rather have my dog hold his point until I release him even if the bird is moving. Should tracking be taught after a dog is reliably steady with his points? With a pointing dog should the expected behavior be more one of relocation rather than tracking like a hound?
Subject: Re: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Sam M.
To: Pat
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 22:05:15 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com

Message:
Pat, That's a very good question. As you mentioned, in NAVHDA tracking is part of their test. I supposed this tracking requirement is to maintain the Versatile breed standards. Yes, tracking is different than a relocation. In tracking (following very much to the scent line) the dog does best when its nose is to or very close to the ground much like a hound. One can still see this behavior in many Versatile breeds. Relocation implies the bird has run off and that the bird dog must again find and point the bird. In a relocation, the dog may go several different ways and by using the wind to detect scent, locate and point the bird again. A desired trait in bird dogs is to have a high head and thus can detect scent of birds move easliy compared to a low head that has a tendency to bump birds without even realizing it has done so. Good luck, Sam M.
Subject: Re: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Vic S.
To: Pat
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:01:47 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
I'm looking forward to a reply from an experienced trainer because I don't know how you would teach a dog to 'track.' But 'relocating' would seem to be a different matter. If the bird has moved and the dog is pointing a hot spot, it would seem a simple matter of 'releasing' the dog with a command that is associated with 'hunt.' The dog usually checks out the location briefly then moves on. Are the terms 'tracking' and 'relocating' used synonymously? My more experienced GSP will follow a wild bird until she gets it pinned. To me that's reloacating, something done to locate and point a bird. She's done it with Gambel's quail and pheasant. When I've downed a bird and it's run off, she'll find it as well. To me, that's tracking. Vic S. Redlands, CA.
Subject: Re: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Pat
To: Vic S.
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:24:59 (PDT)
Email Address: pat@godinart.com

Message:
Vic: You brought something to mind in your reply. I have often wondered how an experienced dog distinguishes between a 'healthy' bird running ahead of it which he will relocate and a shot, crippled bird that is also moving which it should find and retrieve. I have seen my older dog 'flash' point a crippled bird but then very quickly go for the retrieve. He normally would not break his point with an unshot bird. Do you think the difference may be the scent of blood or is it something else?
Subject: Re: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Hombre
To: Pat
Date Posted: Thurs, Sep 07, 2000 at 08:53:49 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Great post Sam, and that is as you described it the only use I have of the word relocae, when a pointed bird has walked off and has to be refound...... thus relocated. And yes Pat, a dog can smell the difference wounded, dead and un-shoot birds very easy. Tracking is not always but usually associated with locating a wounded bird. However some birds that leave good foot scent like a phesant are sometimes tracked until winded by a dog, and as Sam said, nose to the ground. We once saw a phesant run out into another field and light out like lightning. He ran a few hundred yards down a row, crossed over to one a few rows over and continued, then crossed a few more and booked on out. My gsp, my first one years ago came across the path near us, turned and put nose down and ran down the row, crossed to the next at the point the bird crossed...... ran on down following the scent, and this was almost a minute after the bird. He never saw the bird and gave up on it and came back........ but he was out of sight and I do not know the outcome on that. That was tracking of a wild healthy phesant on the run. Usually those take flight when the dog gets close but sometimes hunker down and try to hide. I have never taught a dog to track, that is something they either did or did not do. But all dogs can to some extent. That is also why birds should be planted from cross wind to the the path you walk to plant it and not from up or down wind and try to walk in from the side the dog will not be approaching from. An experienced dog can track the handlers prints straight to a bird easily. Hombre
Subject: Re: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Torkel
To: Hombre
Date Posted: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 01:03:43 (PDT)
Email Address: torkel@informreklambyra.se

Message:
Hi, very interesting subject this. The german breeds (GSP and GWPs) are, as mentioned above, more into tracking. I guess because they are, breeding wise, supposed to track and bring down wounded deer, wild boar etc. My experience of this is that they can be good at running pheasants and especially capercaillie (don't know if You have them in the north) but that a english dog that know when to leave the point and is tough enough in it's bird handling is often better. Only that these are quite scarce among the english! Also the dogs that track with it's nose in the ground will of cource track also when the bird is running in tail-wind, which increases the risk of unwanted flushing very much. We must not forget that the german breesd are allround dogs. In Swedish field trials the dog is allowed to spontaniously kill a wounded bird, BUT if the dog tries and doesn't succeed, and therefor runs after a bird that flies or runs away, it is chasing and the dog is disqualified. A variant of this is when the dog is ordered to flush (which we do here) it might take the bird in the flush. This is ok if the dog didn't have to run, BUT the situation doesn't bring the dog closer to a price since no shot was fired. Once one of my setters killed a hare on a field trial, but wasn't punished for it since she didn't run after the animal! Sorry for getting away a little from the subject. Torkel
Subject: Re: Tracking vs. Pointing
From: Hombre
To: Torkel
Date Posted: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:52:23 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombe@AOL.COM

Message:
Thanks Torkel, very informative and intersting post you made here too. Sounds like the trials and dogs in Europe are really about good hunting practices instead of the manmade stipulations placed on dogs here both in hunting and trials. Hombre
Subject: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird
From: Reed F. Davis
To: All
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 10:56:27 (PDT)
Email Address: rfdavis22@yahoo.com

Message:
Sam: I have been hunting with a 5 month old yellow lab. He is not scared of gunfire at all and he will find downed birds and bring them back... once I put him in the immediate area of the bird. What can I do to help Jackson to understand the relationship between the gun going off and the bird being on the ground? Jack thinks he is just stumbling upon these birds. I think he has the makings of a great gun dog if I can teach him this relationship. Can you make any suggestions to me to help him to understand the relationship between the gun going off and finding the birds on the ground? Is continuing to hunt him with me basically showing him the birds going to hurt his chances of him becoming an effective retriever? Your forum is of great help to a person like me who is trying to learn as much as possible about trainging a gun dog. Many thanks!
Subject: Re: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird
From: Reed F. Davis
To: Hombre
Date Posted: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 05:56:51 (PDT)
Email Address: rfdavis22@yahoo.com

Message:
Sam: Unfortunately I am living in the city these days. I really can only get out on the weekends to work with Jack. I know that under those circumstances Jack probably won't make a good bird dog because I can't work enough with him in the field, but if he will do simple retrieves I will be happy. If he'll just have a good time hunting with me and not inhibit me I'll be happy! With city livin' in mind, is there anything I can do on a daily basis to reinforce this relationship without the aid of a gun? I would really like to send Jack to training school, but I just got of college and am not exactly rolling in the bucks. Thank you so much for your help! It is appreciated so much more than you know. Reed Davis
Subject: Re: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird
From: Hombre
To: Reed F. Davis
Date Posted: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:57:12 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Reed......... Purchase and read the book ''Hey Pup Fetch It Up'' by Bill Tarrant. In there you will read of a champion retriever owner who lives with his dog in an upper floor unit in a highrise apartment building with his dog and his pigeon coop which is attached to the window who trains downtown. Hombre
Subject: Re: Help lab understand relationship between 'BANG!' and the dead bird
From: Hombre
To: Reed F. Davis
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:25:33 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Toss some pigeons up and shoot them for him over open ground or over water, prefferably both. Very easy relationship to establish. Then you get to teach him that every shot does not mean a dead bird. Hombre
Subject: New dog - 1st Britt
From: George Wolf
To: All
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 20:30:54 (PDT)
Email Address: gwolf@metalceramics.com

Message:
Question for you pros - I just acquired a Brittany that was per the breeder, a 'started dog 8 months old'. I took him to the Vet, and the vet insisted that he was at least 18 months, and probably more like 2 years. I like the dog a great deal - in field trials he did well, and although he has much to learn, he has an even termperment and is gentle. Questions: 1) Is there anyway to know the dogs age for sure based on inspection? The vet based her opinion on the amount of tarter (which was a LOT). 2) IF he is 18-24 mos, is he still trainable including house breaking??? 3) Will I experience a more difficult training cycle because of his age? In general, am I wasting my time? Can this dog be broken to house, walk without treaing my wifes arm off, and hunt? My thanks in advance four your help.
Subject: Re: New dog - 1st Britt
From: Bob K
To: George Wolf
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 04:10:08 (PDT)
Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com

Message:
Brits skeltons change a lot between 8 months and 18-24. A knowledge Brittany man can help tell approx age. Tartar build up's a suggestion that something's off, but I wouldn't consider it definitive. Didn't you get registration papers with this dog? If not, he'd better have been a giveaway. Any Brit younger than 3 should be trainable. We haven't lost the breed to the cocker/AKC english setter types yet. Good luck, Bob K
Subject: Re: New dog - 1st Britt
From: Hombre
To: Bob K
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:30:53 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Bob, I am always in awe and amazed by your Brit answers. Have you written a book on them or intend to? If so I would be interested in one. Hombre
Subject: Re: New dog - 1st Britt
From: Blake B.
To: Bob K
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:03:01 (PDT)
Email Address: adtrend@aol.com

Message:
Like Bob says, the dog should be trainable if someone hasn't already screwed him up. I would be very wary and really watch that the dog is not gun or bird shy. I the 'breeder' said he is 8 months and he is really 2, then obviously he is covering something up, although not well. You say he did well in trials, according to who?? The breeder?? If he was run in trials, at least AKC or American Field he has to be registered with the AKC or Field Dog Stud Book. I'd be very leary of this deal!!! I know there are some awfully old puppies and derbies being run in some breeds. I haven't heard or seen this in Brits though. Can you tell us more??????
Subject: breeding cycle during hunting season?
From: Al
To: All
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:47:57 (PDT)
Email Address: aalpini@yahoo.com

Message:
I have a female lab that I plan to breed and hunt with. However, her cycle falls right at hunting season. Is there anyhting I can safely do for this with out giving up the breeding ability?
Subject: Re: breeding cycle during hunting season?
From: Torkel
To: Al
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 00:30:40 (PDT)
Email Address: torkel@informreklambyra.se

Message:
Hi, I no expert on this but I belive that any kind of manipulation of the cykle is bad for the future breeding. Often when you train and hunt a dog hard it won't come into heet during this period, even if it normally should. But if You stop running her, even for a short period, it starts again. And of course don't let her sniff in the behind of another bitch in heet. Good luck.
Subject: Re: breeding cycle during hunting season?
From: Bob K
To: Torkel
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 04:54:04 (PDT)
Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com

Message:
Al There was an extensive thread on this every subject within the last 30 days on a GSP list. While I have personal reservations along the lines Torkel raised about Cheque, several dog owning vets suggested that both Cheque and Ovaban are safe and effective. Check with your personal vet. They're both Rx medications. Bob K
Subject: Hardmouth - Update
From: Brian
To: All
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:24:47 (PDT)
Email Address: flyfisher@bambooflyrods.com

Message:
Well, I took the 7 mos. Pudelpointer grouse hunting this weekend. She had her first point on a wild bird (before she flushed it!) and she retrieved a bird. She did this with no commands from me. When she brought the bird back (I did, however, have to tell her to come once or twice when she had the bird or she would have run off with it) she crunched it pretty hard. So hard, in fact, that I heard the bones cracking. The breast had teeth holes and bruising very badly. I even threw a dead bird for her and she crunched it pretty well, too. She's progressing very well on her own with little or no interaction from me but, once she's been out a few more times, I don't want to deal with destroyed birds. Aside from not letting her retrieve on her own or force fetching her, what should I do? Isn't she too young to force fetch?
Subject: Re: Hardmouth - Update
From: Sam M.
To: Brian
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:50:08 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirdodg.com

Message:
Brian, Congrats to you and your Pudelpointer on her first point on a wild bird. You can only improve from here. Regarding her crunching the bird, you're in a tuff situation. Your pup is just starting to learn and hunt birds and that's probably the most important thing right now. I would suggest waiting until after the hunting season to force-break her. However, this process is involved and many people and dogs have a hard time with it. It's best to get together with someone that is good with force-breaking to retrieve. In the mean time, don't throw out any more birds for her to retrieve. Good luck, Sam M.
Subject: Re: Hardmouth - Update
From: Hombre
To: Brian
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:54:19 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre

Message:
Some people get to make all the mistakes so others can learn from them. Keep it up Brian, yer doing a great job, a few more dogs down the line and you will be able to answer that quesion for folks real well. The old adage of ''You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'' is as true nowadays as ever so I will not suggest you read the posts where you already asked that question. Hombre
Subject: Beeper Question
From: Jeff Granger
To: All
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:20:23 (PDT)
Email Address: jlgranger@home.com

Message:
I recently took my 7 month old Vizsla to the woods for a run wearing his beeper for the first time. I have it set to 'point only' mode and muffled to about 1/2 normal loudness. I've been acclimating Max to the sound by setting it on a table in the house and letting it beep for 10-15 min. each evening. After the initial turn-on beeps which startles him, he could care less about the beeping. During our run in the woods though, every time Max stopped for a smell and the beeper started he would act startled or distracted so I turned it off. What should I expect early on from my dog using the beeper? If he had been intently pointing a bird would he had been less bothered or oblivious to the beeping? Thanks.
Subject: Re: Beeper Question
From: TommyG
To: Jeff Granger
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 20:51:36 (PDT)
Email Address: geth13@hotmail.com

Message:
Jeff, I use beeper collars on my hunting dogs w/o any problems. I have seen dogs that hesitate the first time the collar is turned on but they disregard it very soon. I would turn it on run mode & I bet the dog will acclimate to it real quick. Beepers are great tools for pointing dogs.
Subject: Re: Beeper Question
From: Sam M.
To: Jeff Granger
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:05:17 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com

Message:
If the beeper came with instructions, follow them. However, it's probably best to acclimate the beeper on him without turning it on. Let him get used to wearing the beeper around its neck before it on. Acclimate the beeper to him like it's part of his regular collar. Later turn it on at low setting (if available or stuff cotton) during your normal dog training. This should help in the introduction of the beeper collar. Your dog's reaction is understandable especailly if he is scenting something strange and then all of sudden a new loud beeping sound occured. Good luck, Sam M.
Subject: Restraining a Quail's Wing
From: John D.
To: All
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:08:45 (PDT)
Email Address: jdavisjr@dttus.com

Message:
Does anyone have any methods of restraining a quail's wings while allowing it to walk without removing the flight feathers?
Subject: Re: Restraining a Quail's Wing
From: Hombre
To: John D.
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:30 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
There is a device that can be bought to do that, Probbass, Cabelas and perhaps Gundog.com or Lion Country Supply.com will have them too. You can also just interlock any birds wings behind it's back and they can walk around but not fly. Don't know that I can explain how here, but it is kinda like crossing you knees, but a bird has two joints to cross and when they are crossed correctly they can seldom get out of it and it does not hurt the bird. If they are tossed with the wings crossed they sometimes come undone when they hit the ground though. Hombre
Subject: Chukars v Quail
From: Tboy
To: All
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:53:44 (PDT)
Email Address: bwurts@kc.net

Message:
Can chukers be recalled like quail? If yes how is it different? anything special needed.
Subject: Re: Chukars v Quail
From: Blake B.
To: Tboy
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:27:55 (PDT)
Email Address: adtrend@aol.com

Message:
Absolutely. But, they recall best when placed in the recall pens at a young age, given food and water, and left aoone to learn their surroundings without pressure. They will covey up and not go back into pens to some extent. Once, established they are great for young dogs as they fly very strong and are very hard to catch, unlike most pen reared quail. I have found though that quail left to their own devices for around ten days, if they live, get pretty wild too.
Subject: Re: Chukars v Quail
From: Vic S.
To: Blake B.
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 17:50:25 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
I too like them better than quail for use in a recall pen though just now we're having a problem with them returning to the pen. Working to determine what's discouraging them. But like Blake's observation I think they are more apt to fly and from my experience, though limited, would opt for chukar over quail if you can afford them. Vic Redlands, CA.
Subject: Re: Chukars v Quail
From: Hombre
To: Vic S.
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 18:34:47 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Yeah, and the chukker have more scent too. Dogs find and point easy and they won't let a dog get as close as a quail will. I am not sure on how to do recall on chukker, but at the chukker pens at the club many chukker find their way back to the pens and are netted and placed back in. I would think from this that a lot of their kind need to be in a pen to get them back, unlike bob's which only need one male left in the recall. And not use them covey style, use them in singles. Also when daylight is less than 17 hours they should return easier as they quit trying to nes t then so are more willing to covey up. Hombre
Subject: Re: Chukars v Quail
From: Sam M.
To: Hombre
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 09:09:46 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com

Message:
Please see a picture of chukar being released by Bill Gibbons at the johnny house web page (see link at Training Center). Good luck, Sam M.
Subject: chukar droppings
From: mike
To: All
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 15:58:05 (PDT)
Email Address: mike.mel@gateway.net

Message:
Can dogs get any diseases from handling dirty birds?(chukar, quail or pheasant droppings)?
Subject: Re: chukar droppings
From: Hombre
To: mike
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 21:35:12 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Short answer, yes. But not too likely. They are more apt to get it if birds defecate in the dogs drinking water or if a dog drinks where birds defecate, especially stagnant type ponds. The main offender is giaradia, which is an intestinal disease that causes diarrhea and loss of stamina. You can get shots for it to prevent it, but they have to be taken every six months. The disease causes very bad diarrhea but it usually stops in a few weeks. When mine have gotten it I clean the kennels with bleach every couple of days, dog house, floor, fence and all. Not nice stuff to deal with. Hombre
Subject: Re: chukar droppings
From: Vic S.
To: mike
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 21:07:11 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
I don't know but my dogs have trained on a lot of McDonald's flying rats that look like they were rescued from a grease trap. No problems so far. Vic Redlands, CA.
Subject: Dog's hearing
From: Pat
To: All
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:39:52 (PDT)
Email Address: pat@godinart.com

Message:
Is there any evidence that the use of beeper collars will affect the hearing of a dog over the long term? Are there some styles of beepers that are better in this respect than others? Also, it seems logical that gun dogs must be occasionally subjected to muzzle blast considering they are often out in front of the gun. I have had to retire an older Brittany prematurely because of hearing loss and know of others in the same position.
Subject: Re: Dog's hearing
From: Sam M.
To: Pat
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:37:36 (PDT)
Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com

Message:
Pat, That's a good question. I don't know of any 'science' base study regarding beeper collar or shotgun blast (impulse noise) and hearing in bird dogs. There is a beeper collar company (name?) that suggest that their collar is better because it directs the beeping noise up and away from the dog's ears. We all know that people's hearing is adversely affected by long term exposure to shotgun blast as well as any noise above certain decibel. Similarly, I would imagine that a dog's hearing would also be affected. You mentioned you retired an older Brittany due to hearing loss, however, age can also cause hearing lost. Sam M.
Subject: What should Iexpect?
From: Sean
To: All
Date Posted: Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 22:45:21 (PDT)
Email Address: akawook@netscape.net

Message:
Irecently recieved my britt back from two months of training from what I thought was a very good trainer. Today I took her out ino the field t see how she will do this fall and was very disappointed. She lacks basic obediance, won't point a bird and and is not controlable. This training was not inexpensive either. I am new to upland bird dogs but shouldn't I be able to expect more in this amount of time. Any advice you can offer would be greal. Thank you. Sean Mora, MN
Subject: Re: What should Iexpect?
From: Blake B.
To: Sean
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:22:09 (PDT)
Email Address: adtrend@aol.com

Message:
Sean: As Hombre said, a lot more info. is needed. But, I would call the trainer and go see him if at all possible. Don't be accusatory. We don't know how old the dog is or what her training level was prior to going to the trainer. Trainers are not miracle workers. Ask Lou or the other pros in this forum. Why did you send the dog to the trainer and what did you ask him to do??If the dog is a pup, he probably did no obedience work. He should have just worked to get her excited about birds. Maybe she had not pointed prior to going and still won't. Is the dog from field stock or show stock. Had you shot a gun over her and made her gun shy, had she had a shock collar on her at 6 months and was she bird shy. Did you ask him to start on here, whoa, heel, etc.?? Had the dog had bad experiences in the past and is still very unsure. I am not trying to accuse you, I don't know the dog's story. I just know that the best trainers can only do certain things with certain dogs, depending on the dog's experiences. As an example, a dog with a low tail, unsure on point, or a gun shy/bird shy dog is not all of a sudden going to become a high headed stylish Field Champion. Training takes the enitre life of a dog, not a few months. BUT, the fact reamins, you just need to talk to the trainer!!!!
Subject: Re: What should Iexpect?
From: Hombre
To: Sean
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 21:47:10 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.com

Message:
Sean, call your trainer and get with him to learn how to use your dog. Despite what you wrote I do not see that your dog is untrained. As for obedience, training for bird work does not usually include any obedience at all. And as far as you controlling her, maybe you want more control than she needs but is uncomfortable to you. Two months is not long to be with a trainer either, and your expense I would presume is around 700 for the training plus birds. The more birds used the better she should be. What kind of training requirements did you place on your trainer? Did he tell you he would train for obedience? What kind of birds did he use in training, and what kind of birds did you have her on? Were they birds she has trained on? More info is needed here to be specific but we would only be Monday quarterbacking your game. Call your trainer and talk with him and get with him on working your dog. If you do not know the commands and how to give them the dog cannot follow them. Hombre
Subject: Re: What should Iexpect?
From: R.V.
To: Sean
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 17:44:20 (PDT)
Email Address: rvgeneral@sprint.ca

Message:
My dear boy. How do you expect your dog to obey anything asked of him after two months of absence? My two year old neighbour could figure that out.If you don't have the time to spend with your dog... buy a turtle.
Subject: Re: What should Iexpect?
From: r.
To: Sean
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 17:35:38 (PDT)
Email Address: rvgeneral@sprint.ca

Message:
Subject: Re: What should Iexpect?
From: Vic S.
To: Sean
Date Posted: Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 14:48:24 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
Boy, that is quite a list of 'won't,' especially from a dog that has been to a professional trainer. All the people I hunt with train their own dogs so they either reap the praise or suffer the disapproval. But have you talked to the trainer to discuss the shortcomings? If the trainer is not too far away perhaps it would be worthwhile to return and have both of you take the dog out to see how it does. Can a dog sent off for training become obedient solely to the trainer and not the owner? If the dog does not perform I would argue that the trainer has failed to fulfill his contract. If he's honest, there should be an adjustment (i.e., money returned) in what you paid him. Just my opinion. Vic Redlands, CA.
Subject: Need Help
From: Patricia Lippolis
To: All
Date Posted: Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 20:03:55 (PDT)
Email Address: dpowers@cdsnet,net

Message:
I need help with many things. I have just purchased a black lab an I have decided to train her to hunt. I went into many web sites and pages and all I can find are confusing words. I need help with many words that I don't quite understand. there is Flush, and many more. can anyone just give me a list of words that I need to know and define them for me please.
Subject: Re: Need Help
From: Blake B.
To: Patricia Lippolis
Date Posted: Tues, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:15:14 (PDT)
Email Address: adtrend@aol.com

Message:
Patricia: I know nothing about training labs. Several suggestions though, buy several books on training labs, there is one that seems pretty good, called 'Fetch It Up', I think. Next find a lab trainer in your area and go see him. Get references!!!!! Most trainers offer hourly sessions to help you to learn along with your dog. Most importantly, spend a lot of time with your dog and have fun.
Subject: Tri-Tronics Pro 500
From: Brian
To: All
Date Posted: Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 15:02:00 (PDT)
Email Address: flyfisher@bambooflyrods.com

Message:
Anybody use this collar? I have a Pro 200 and like it due to it's ease-of-use and simplicity. I won a drawing for a 35% off coupon on any Tri-Tronics product and, wanting another collar for my other dog, thought I'd get a different one this time. I wonder how easily the toggle switch used to switch from continuous to momentary may move by accident? I've thought about the Upland model but like the beeper to use for 'here'.
Subject: Re: Tri-Tronics Pro 500
From: Keith
To: Brian
Date Posted: Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:15:26 (PDT)
Email Address: Birdfever@msn.com

Message:
Anybody use this collar? I have a Pro 200 and like it due to it's ease-of-use and simplicity. I won a drawing for a 35% off coupon on any Tri-Tronics product and, wanting another collar for my other dog, thought I'd get a different one this time. I wonder how easily the toggle switch used to switch from continuous to momentary may move by accident? I've thought about the Upland model but like the beeper to use for 'here'.
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If you are worried about the switch , don't . I have run these and many other tri-tronics collars and have never had a problem.
Subject: Recall pen
From: Vic
To: All
Date Posted: Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 14:38:57 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
Friend has a recall pen set up and it worked fine until a pack of dogs chewed around the inlet cone, got inside and killed most of the birds. I was asked to make something more substantial out of metal so that similar problems would not occur. What I did was, without going into too much detail, attach the cone to a piece of 16 ha. sheet metal, bolt it in place. Since then only once have replacement birds been turned out and none reentered the pen. They had before. Although the birds have been released only once we're wondering if the metal around the inlet cone is discouraging them from reentering. Any observations or suggestions? TIA Vic Redlands, CA.
Subject: Re: Recall pen
From: Hombre
To: Vic
Date Posted: Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 18:33:43 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
Vic, it takes a cone made of the same material the fence is so the quail can see the ones inside and try to get to them, they walk up the cone and drop down inside. Have your friend make the pen of substantial material like hallf inch wire cloth and lap the edges of the cone and use baling wire to sew it togather with. Hombre
Subject: Re: Recall pen
From: Vic S.
To: Hombre
Date Posted: Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 20:28:12 (PDT)
Email Address: vrstull@aol.com

Message:
What was there before was solid wood. Well, OSB, same effect. So it was closed off too. but I'll pass along the suggestion and I suspect I'll be making something up, then cut a couples holes near the entry cone so that the birds can see into the pen and see if that helps. Thanks for the suggestion. Vic
Subject: Re: Recall pen
From: Hombre
To: Vic S.
Date Posted: Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 08:29:09 (PDT)
Email Address: AAHombre@AOL.COM

Message:
I was going to suggest closing off the bottom six inches or so of the pen, yes it does work to have all else closed off except the funnel but if the pen is of wire then the funnel must be of at least as large of mesh as the balance of the pen. For the funnel to work they must be able to see the quail inside and they go up it in it and drop inside in an effort to get closer to the others. You can try making holes next to it, but I seriously doubt that a single one will enter through the funnel then either. As an example, to make a quail trap only takes a wire box without a bottom and a 1X4 board nailed across the bottom at one end. A hole is dug in the ground that is kinda C shaped with the center down but slopinnng more gently on the outside part and the 1x4 placed over the hole and some food placed inside the pen with some feed in the hole with some more scattered around at the hole end outside. The quail start eating the grain and when there is little left one sta