JR -:- Breeder INFO -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 07:48:47 (PST)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Breeder INFO -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 09:41:35 (PST)

Sam M. -:- American Field Trials -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:40:32 (PST)

Derek -:- Want to train Irish Setter -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 11:55:21 (PST)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Want to train Irish Setter -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 13:04:15 (PST)
__ Derek -:- Re: Want to train Irish Setter -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 13:44:40 (PST)
__ Derek -:- Re: Want to train Irish Setter -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 13:43:05 (PST)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Want to train Irish Setter -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:00:29 (PST)

Doug -:- When will pointer come on? -:- Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 17:02:21 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: When will pointer come on? -:- Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 20:33:20 (PST)
__ Doug -:- Re: When will pointer come on? -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 09:09:56 (PST)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: When will pointer come on? -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:25:46 (PST)

George K -:- GHP with Quail -:- Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 15:07:30 (PST)
_ George K -:- Re: GHP with Quail -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 17:20:37 (PST)
__ Bob K -:- Re: GHP with Quail -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 07:47:32 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: GHP with Quail -:- Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 21:00:09 (PST)
__ torkel -:- Re: GHP with Quail -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 00:01:06 (PST)
___ George K -:- Re: GHP with Quail -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 15:59:31 (PST)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: GHP with Quail -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 21:58:27 (PST)

George K -:- Fast Shorthair -:- Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 16:36:39 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Fast Shorthair -:- Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 20:18:04 (PST)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Fast Shorthair -:- Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 17:25:27 (PST)

Phil -:- TRAINING SEMINAR -:- Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 08:41:37 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: TRAINING SEMINAR -:- Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 19:35:11 (PST)

Larry N. -:- gun-shy brit -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 10:20:29 (PST)
_ jim w (brit1) -:- Re: gun-shy brit -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 17:51:43 (PST)
_ jim w (brit1) -:- Re: gun-shy brit -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 17:51:25 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: gun-shy brit -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 10:56:11 (PST)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: gun-shy brit -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 11:00:16 (PST)

Randy K. -:- What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 07:16:05 (PST)
_ Bob K -:- Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 13:15:25 (PST)
__ Randy K -:- Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 18:21:06 (PST)
___ Bob K -:- Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? -:- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 06:07:40 (PST)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 20:31:03 (PST)

George K -:- Training -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 17:38:33 (PST)
_ Brian -:- Re: Training -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 18:18:57 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Training -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 20:15:50 (PST)

krust -:- Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 17:30:37 (PST)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 13:44:02 (PST)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 20:52:40 (PST)
__ krust -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 20:48:48 (PST)
___ torkel -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 00:00:44 (PST)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 11:31:56 (PST)
_____ krust -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 20:56:58 (PST)
______ Sam M. -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 22:40:41 (PST)
_______ krust -:- Re: Need help aggressive shorthair -:- Thurs, Nov 04, 1999 at 18:27:57 (PST)

George -:- New Shorthair -:- Sat, Oct 30, 1999 at 17:13:13 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: New Shorthair -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 08:39:36 (PST)

Brian -:- Young Brittany -:- Sat, Oct 30, 1999 at 16:33:33 (PDT)
_ jim w (brit1) -:- Re: Young Brittany -:- Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 17:42:01 (PST)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Young Brittany -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 08:31:11 (PST)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Young Brittany -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 07:50:01 (PST)
_ brit1 -:- Re: Young Brittany -:- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 10:59:19 (PST)
_ brit1 -:- Re: Young Brittany -:- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 10:57:21 (PST)
__ Brian -:- Re: Young Brittany update -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 17:13:56 (PST)
___ brit1 -:- Re: Young Brittany update -:- Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 13:14:15 (PST)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Young Brittany update -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 20:11:46 (PST)

George K -:- Shorthair -:- Thurs, Oct 28, 1999 at 16:24:16 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Shorthair -:- Thurs, Oct 28, 1999 at 16:51:48 (PDT)
__ Bob K -:- Re: Shorthair -:- Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 08:52:40 (PDT)

Wade -:- Training a Chocolate Lab -:- Tues, Oct 26, 1999 at 05:20:46 (PDT)
_ Todd K -:- Re: Training a Chocolate Lab -:- Tues, Oct 26, 1999 at 16:22:17 (PDT)
__ Wade -:- Re: Training a Chocolate Lab -:- Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 04:51:06 (PDT)
___ Todd K -:- Re: Training a Chocolate Lab -:- Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 08:02:03 (PDT)

Torkel -:- Setters and pointers -:- Tues, Oct 26, 1999 at 04:54:09 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Setters and pointers -:- Thurs, Oct 28, 1999 at 21:56:03 (PDT)
__ torkel -:- Re: Setters and pointers -:- Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 00:30:31 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Setters and pointers -:- Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 08:01:38 (PDT)
____ torkel -:- Re: Setters and pointers -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 04:11:17 (PST)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: Setters and pointers -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 07:42:48 (PST)
______ torkel -:- Re: Setters and pointers -:- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 23:43:21 (PST)

bird hunter -:- how to make dog jump in pickup -:- Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 19:19:54 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: how to make dog jump in pickup -:- Thurs, Oct 28, 1999 at 22:11:00 (PDT)

Todd K -:- Holding at Flush -:- Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 07:55:49 (PDT)
_ Phil -:- Re: Holding at Flush -:- Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 09:47:18 (PDT)

Phil -:- Training Help & Update -:- Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 00:36:00 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Training Help & Update -:- Sat, Oct 30, 1999 at 10:35:17 (PDT)

Krust -:- creeping shorthair -:- Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 20:43:19 (PDT)

Krust -:- How good are pointing dogs -:- Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 20:40:42 (PDT)
_ torkel -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Tues, Oct 26, 1999 at 04:46:21 (PDT)
__ Bob K -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Tues, Oct 26, 1999 at 08:09:54 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 18:30:02 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 16:26:41 (PDT)
__ krust -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 18:21:34 (PDT)
___ Phil -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 00:44:44 (PDT)
___ Bob K -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 18:43:21 (PDT)
____ krust -:- Re: How good are pointing dogs -:- Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 19:15:51 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Books, Tapes, and Clubs -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 22:10:44 (PDT)

krust -:- creeping shorthair -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 19:05:52 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: creeping shorthair -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 19:37:22 (PDT)
__ krust -:- Re: creeping shorthair -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 20:14:07 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: creeping shorthair -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 21:34:56 (PDT)

Mike Woodhull -:- English Pointer -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 18:37:26 (PDT)
_ swany -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 11:52:32 (PDT)
__ swany -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 11:57:26 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 19:24:41 (PDT)
__ Mike Woodhull -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 19:55:13 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 21:28:32 (PDT)
____ Mike Woodhull -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 18:01:25 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: English Pointer -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 22:23:11 (PDT)

Dru Fenimore -:- weimarener -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 14:05:33 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: weimarener -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 17:20:17 (PDT)
__ DRU -:- Re: weimarener -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 21:00:08 (PDT)
___ Bob K -:- Re: weimarener -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 06:19:23 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: weimarener -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 19:51:49 (PDT)
___ DRU -:- Re: weimarener -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 21:04:29 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: weimarener -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 21:36:47 (PDT)

Randy -:- Training -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 11:06:01 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: Training -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 17:05:20 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Training -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 20:28:02 (PDT)
___ Randy -:- Re: Training length -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 10:56:37 (PDT)
___ Randy -:- Re: Training -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 10:52:07 (PDT)
____ Wade -:- Re: Training -:- Tues, Oct 26, 1999 at 05:08:41 (PDT)
___ Randy -:- Re: Training -:- Thurs, Oct 21, 1999 at 05:45:20 (PDT)

Paul Watts -:- New Training -:- Tues, Oct 19, 1999 at 11:01:06 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: New Training -:- Tues, Oct 19, 1999 at 13:00:09 (PDT)

Greg M -:- Gsp ?s long post sorry -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 17:52:33 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Gsp ?s long post sorry -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 22:41:17 (PDT)

Maurice -:- force breaking -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 07:31:50 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: force breaking -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 10:59:42 (PDT)

antonio -:- i want pointer pup -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 14:38:46 (PDT)
_ Bob K -:- Re: i want pointer pup -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 18:35:00 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: i want pointer pup -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 18:57:26 (PDT)

bird hunter -:- crunching quail -:- Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 20:50:49 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: crunching quail -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 08:58:39 (PDT)

bird hunter -:- Can't stop barking -:- Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 20:49:09 (PDT)
_ Jay -:- Re: Can't stop barking -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 14:17:14 (PDT)

greg -:- pointer and pigeons -:- Thurs, Oct 07, 1999 at 18:03:35 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: pointer and pigeons -:- Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 07:47:00 (PDT)
__ Maurice -:- Re: pointer and pigeons -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 08:31:47 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: pointer and pigeons -:- Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 16:52:05 (PDT)
___ greg -:- Re: pointer and pigeons -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 16:17:55 (PDT)

Jeff -:- Dog breed for hunting Chukar/Quail -:- Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 16:26:19 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Dog breed for hunting Chukar/Quail -:- Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 19:33:03 (PDT)

Bob K -:- Bird Dog Training 101 -:- Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 10:40:35 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Bird Dog Training 101 -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 18:04:53 (PDT)
__ Bob K -:- Re: Bird Dog Training 101 -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 14:08:58 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Bird Dog Training 101 -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 08:48:49 (PDT)

Torkel -:- bold setters? -:- Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 03:08:29 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:30:51 (PDT)
__ torkel -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 02:23:11 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 22:12:35 (PDT)
____ torkel -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 02:30:57 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 08:18:26 (PDT)
____ Bob K -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Tues, Oct 05, 1999 at 06:52:50 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: bold setters? -:- Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 08:31:20 (PDT)

Jeremy -:- Rough Mouth -:- Thurs, Sep 30, 1999 at 13:48:02 (PDT)
_ Bob -:- Re: Rough Mouth -:- Thurs, Sep 30, 1999 at 19:00:56 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Rough Mouth -:- Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 10:55:28 (PDT)

Richard Hainsworth -:- Upland Bird Dogs and Children -:- Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 13:13:15 (PDT)
_ Jay -:- Re: Upland Bird Dogs and Children -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 13:07:59 (PDT)
_ Bob -:- Re: Upland Bird Dogs and Children -:- Thurs, Sep 30, 1999 at 18:43:02 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Upland Bird Dogs and Children -:- Thurs, Sep 30, 1999 at 11:40:48 (PDT)

Jay Holcombe -:- Gun Training: English Setter -:- Tues, Sep 21, 1999 at 20:16:52 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Gun Training: English Setter -:- Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 11:03:10 (PDT)
_ EyeGuy -:- Re: Gun Training: English Setter -:- Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 14:38:38 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Gun Training: English Setter -:- Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 11:19:40 (PDT)
___ Jay Holcombe -:- Re: Gun Training: English Setter -:- Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 19:46:45 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Oklahoma -:- Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 18:54:28 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Oklahoma -:- Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 11:26:03 (PDT)

Todd K -:- Training with pigeons -:- Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:17:08 (PDT)
_ Al S. -:- Re: Training with pigeons -:- Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 08:21:29 (PDT)
_ Al S. -:- Re: Training with pigeons -:- Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 08:18:48 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Training with pigeons -:- Tues, Sep 28, 1999 at 08:44:33 (PDT)
__ Todd K -:- Re: Training with pigeons -:- Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:21:03 (PDT)
___ Stephen Olin -:- Re: Training with pigeons -:- Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 17:07:19 (PDT)

Mike Allen -:- Dog Boots for cactus land -:- Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:29:37 (PDT)
__ Brent -:- Re: Dog Boots for cactus land -:- Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 12:30:03 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Dog Boots for cactus land -:- Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:48:31 (PDT)

Don Arkell -:- Finished Dog -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:50:24 (PDT)
_ Al S. -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 08:24:41 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:41:01 (PDT)
__ Phil A -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 21:31:31 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:10:22 (PDT)
____ Phil -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 00:06:07 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 07:35:18 (PDT)
_ bird hunter -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:05:13 (PDT)
__ Greg D. -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 06:50:31 (PDT)
___ Fowlmouth -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 16:21:47 (PDT)
___ bird hunter -:- Re: Finished Dog -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 20:13:22 (PDT)

Dave H. -:- tips on burrs -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 14:34:49 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: tips on burrs -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:49:59 (PDT)

Bird Dog Owner -:- How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 05:30:01 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 21:11:52 (PDT)
__ torkel -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 05:46:31 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:39:57 (PDT)
____ bird dog owner -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:13:51 (PDT)
_____ bird hunter -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:12:01 (PDT)
______ Sam M. -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 22:06:25 (PDT)
_______ bird dog owner -:- Re: How do I force break my English Setter to Retrieve? -:- Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 10:05:46 (PDT)

Brian -:- Is a beeper collar going to srew up my dog -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 19:48:18 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: Is a beeper collar going to srew up my dog -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 19:58:04 (PDT)
__ Alice -:- Re: Is a beeper collar going to srew up my dog -:- Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 08:22:16 (PDT)
___ Maurice -:- Re: Is a beeper collar going to srew up my dog -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 09:44:44 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Is a beeper collar going to srew up my dog -:- Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 15:25:07 (PDT)

Stephen Olin -:- English Setter trained as a flushing spaniel -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 18:32:43 (PDT)
_ Tom Woods -:- Re: English Setter trained as a flushing spaniel -:- Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 13:14:55 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: English Setter trained as a flushing spaniel -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:13:29 (PDT)
__ Stephen Olin -:- Re: English Setter trained as a flushing spaniel -:- Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:59:02 (PDT)

Dummy retrieving pointer -:- Cant make pointer hold live bird or recently shot bird loves to retrieve everything -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 14:56:06 (PDT)
_ Stephen -:- Re: Cant make pointer hold live bird or recently shot bird loves to retrieve everything -:- Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 20:30:03 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Cant make pointer hold live bird or recently shot bird loves to retrieve everything -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 21:08:11 (PDT)
___ stephen olin -:- Re: Cant make pointer hold live bird or recently shot bird loves to retrieve everything -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 08:38:54 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: Cant make pointer hold live bird or recently shot bird loves to retrieve everything -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:39:09 (PDT)

bird hunter -:- english pointer -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 14:48:23 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: english pointer -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 16:50:56 (PDT)

Richard Gonzalez -:- Kennels -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 21:04:06 (PDT)
_ Tom Woods -:- Re: Kennels -:- Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 13:23:40 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Kennels -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 08:09:27 (PDT)

Mike -:- Can a lab point and hold? -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 18:15:07 (PDT)
_ tom woods -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 13:27:07 (PDT)
_ Pointing Lab - Ha! -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:38:21 (PDT)
_ Maurice -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 14:33:35 (PDT)
__ Mike -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 06:10:47 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 08:43:29 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 19:25:18 (PDT)
__ Ed -:- Re: Can a lab point and hold? -:- Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 21:07:35 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Any one hunting yet? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 14:52:30 (PDT)

Brent -:- new puppy that howls and whines when left alone -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 07:26:59 (PDT)
_ Brent -:- Re: new puppy that howls and whines when left alone -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 07:23:36 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: new puppy that howls and whines when left alone -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 07:51:12 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: new puppy that howls and whines when left alone -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:21:15 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: new puppy that howls and whines when left alone -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 14:33:38 (PDT)

mattias -:- problem -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 00:27:16 (PDT)
_ Steve -:- Re: problem -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 11:17:56 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: problem -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 08:58:48 (PDT)

Brian -:- Bell or Beeper collar? -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 19:07:32 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Bell or Beeper collar?? -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 07:18:03 (PDT)
__ Hos -:- Re: Bell or Beeper collar? -:- Sun, Sep 05, 1999 at 17:08:36 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Essential items -:- Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 09:41:18 (PDT)
_ Dave H. -:- Re: Essential items -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:59:17 (PDT)
_ Greg D. -:- Re: Essential items -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 05:51:25 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Essential items -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 14:40:15 (PDT)
___ Ed -:- Re: Essential items -:- Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:59:59 (PDT)
____ LZ -:- Re: Essential items -:- Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 20:31:29 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: Essential items -:- Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 14:02:38 (PDT)
______ George -:- Re: Essential items -:- Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 19:30:25 (PDT)

black and white gsh -:- will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 17:24:59 (PDT)
_ torkel -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 06:19:49 (PDT)
__ stephen olin -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:56:47 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:55:51 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 21:50:30 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 08:25:26 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 18:47:25 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 21:59:37 (PDT)
___ Steve -:- Re: will not point wing at 7 wks -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 11:21:27 (PDT)

Shorthair -:- Busting Birds -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 14:01:11 (PDT)
_ Steve -:- Re: Busting Birds -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 11:57:04 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Busting Birds -:- Thurs, Sep 02, 1999 at 19:02:32 (PDT)
_ Brian -:- Re: Busting Birds -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 18:54:53 (PDT)
_ Sam -:- Re: Busting Birds -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 22:29:02 (PDT)
__ Richard Gonzalez -:- Re: Busting Birds -:- Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 06:33:12 (PDT)

Kent Patterson -:- Blinking -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:17:17 (PDT)
_ Maurice -:- Re: Blinking -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:12:17 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Blinking -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 23:57:23 (PDT)
__ Richard Gonzalez -:- Re: Blinking -:- Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 10:23:59 (PDT)

Brian -:- first pointer -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 20:16:56 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: first pointer -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 23:23:39 (PDT)

George N -:- Whoa -:- Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 18:35:58 (PDT)
_ Stephen Olin -:- Re: Whoa -:- Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 16:41:26 (PDT)
_ RayG -:- Re: Whoa -:- Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 11:57:20 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:08:49 (PDT)
_ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 22:58:45 (PDT)
__ George -:- Re: Whoa -:- Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 19:21:42 (PDT)
__ Steve -:- Re: Whoa -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 11:46:16 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 07:07:05 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 22:20:42 (PDT)
___ Carl C. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 19:00:11 (PDT)
__ Richard Gonzalez -:- Re: Whoa -:- Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 13:34:11 (PDT)
___ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 14:22:45 (PDT)
____ Carl C. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 15:08:34 (PDT)
_____ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 16:05:32 (PDT)
______ Carl C. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:53:22 (PDT)
_______ Sam M. -:- Re: Whoa -:- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 22:34:34 (PDT)
________ Hos -:- Re: Whoa -:- Sun, Sep 05, 1999 at 17:13:06 (PDT)

Sam M. -:- Hunting Trips -:- Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 23:53:37 (PDT)
_ Greg D -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 11:25:44 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 19:50:42 (PDT)
___ gdargie@purdue.edu -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 05:51:47 (PDT)
____ George V -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 17:08:50 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 07:29:06 (PDT)
_ Nick M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 17:38:50 (PDT)
__ Sam M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 23:02:33 (PDT)
___ Brian -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 19:29:20 (PDT)
____ Sam M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 19:54:48 (PDT)
_____ brian -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 18:00:03 (PDT)
______ Sam M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 18:33:11 (PDT)
_______ Brian -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 18:39:15 (PDT)
________ Sam M. -:- Re: Hunting Trips -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 22:08:23 (PDT)

Subject: Breeder INFO From: JR To: All Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 07:48:47 (PST) Email Address: PAMEDICAL@AOL.COM Message: Is there any agency that regulates breeders in Texas? Or Nationwide? Has anyone heard of Cline Line Inc. (Cline Stricklin) in Weatherford Texas has anyone purchased a dog from him I am interested in a dog from him and am trying to do a bit of research on his kennels. THanks for any help. JR

Subject: Re: Breeder INFO From: Bob K To: JR Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 09:41:35 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: JR US Dept of Agriculture has some role in regulating large (30+?/year) litter operators. AKC concerns itself with paperwork, mostly. It also lifts registration priviledges when cruelty charges are leveled by humane society and others. Check the local Better Business Bureau too. If you can see the parents work on birds that helps. Just figure that any pup is likely to be less than the parents. Also insist on OFA hip certifications on sire and dam and get the breeder's return policy in writing. Good luck. Bob K

Subject: American Field Trials From: Sam M. To: All Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:40:32 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: To All, For those interested, I just upload pictures taken from recent American Field trials, Raymond R. Rucker Derby and the Colorado Shooting Dog Championship held in Arnett, Oklahoma (USA). There are many photos, so it might be a little slow loading. Good dog training and field trialing, Sam M.

Subject: Want to train Irish Setter From: Derek To: All Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 11:55:21 (PST) Email Address: dsimmons@ciber.com Message: I purchased an Irish Setter to be a household pet for my wife. But since I got her I have become very interested in training her to be a hunting dog. I have no hunting experience or hunting dog experience but I think she would love the companionship in the field as would I. She's 10 months old and I'd really like to get started before it's too late. Any ideas or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Subject: Re: Want to train Irish Setter From: Bob K To: Derek Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 13:04:15 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: Derek Major caveat on Irish Setters. The AKC show dogs don't make the best hunters. People that want red hunting dogs usually get Red Setters, the FDSB variety Irish. That said, any dog with patience, repetition and exposure to birds can be trained to hunt. Review the previous advice on this list and you'll see 'keep it fun,' 'buy a training book or video,' and 'join a local pointing breed or NAVHDA club' repeated time and again. Good luck. Bob K

Subject: Re: Want to train Irish Setter From: Derek To: Bob K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 13:44:40 (PST) Email Address: dsimmons@ciber.com Message: Thanks for the advice Bob. I'll start looking into books and local clubs. She is definitely an AKC show Irish setter but her mother won some field competitions. So I think she definitely has it in her. I guess we'll find out. Thanks again Derek

Subject: Re: Want to train Irish Setter From: Derek To: Bob K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 13:43:05 (PST) Email Address: dsimmons@ciber.com Message: Thanks for the advice Bob. I'll start looking into books and local clubs. Derek

Subject: Re: Want to train Irish Setter From: Sam M. To: Bob K Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:00:29 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: To be an effective bird dog, your Irish Setter must like birds enough to hunt them out. To evaluate your setter, take it into fields where it can find birds. If the setter shows signs of interest like chasing and running up birds than you can train it to hunt. Give the setter several opportunities on birds and watch her carefully. You can't find wild birds try letting the setter have some carded pigeons to run up and chase. Good luck, Sam M.

Subject: When will pointer come on? From: Doug To: All Date Posted: Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 17:02:21 (PST) Email Address: pacecar@willmar.com Message: I have a 10 month old pointer and a 3.5 yr old gsp. My question is the pointer has looked really good on occasion on pheasant and then some days walks right behind my gsp on point without even turning his head. He is bird crazy with dead birds and has pointed 6 roosters which I shot. Will it take a season for this dog? My gsp was 14 months his first season and by thanksgiving was phenominal. Both dogs are males and the pointer is a elhew bred dog both sides if this helps. Thank you for any replies.

Subject: Re: When will pointer come on? From: Sam M. To: Doug Date Posted: Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 20:33:20 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: It all depends on the number of birds in your hunting area. The greater the number of birds your dog finds and points the fast he will learn to handle them. However, to shoot 6 pointed (wild?) roosters over a 10 month old Pointer is doing well. Give your Pointer more experience and than watch him handle wild pheasants more consistantly. As for going behind your pointing GSP, perhaps the scent was not where you thought it to be. I would try not to compare the two dogs but enjoy them as individuals. Also, you might consider running your Pointer alone in some fields and let him learn how to handle pheasants by myself. Good luck, Sam M.

Subject: Re: When will pointer come on? From: Doug To: Sam M. Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 09:09:56 (PST) Email Address: pacecar@willmar.com Message: Yes the 6 were wild, I have been walking alot of ditches that run through fields for him as the corn has been coming out. The birds like these areas as they have cover and food with the picked corn field next to them and I take the pointer so he has success. The weather has been dry and unseasonably warm this fall so the scenting conditions are not the best I guess either. I am from MN and it has not been to bad a year for pheasant and I am planning a trip to SD around thanksgiving so he should see alot of birds out there. Thank You.

Subject: Re: When will pointer come on? From: Sam M. To: Doug Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:25:46 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: Our pheasant season starts next week and hopefully my new Pointer pup (also 10-11 months old) will get to retrieve her first pheasant. During the training sessions, she showed great promise on wild pheasants, pointing and holding birds. She also showed independence and the ability to hunt up her own birds. Good luck hunting. Sam M.

Subject: GHP with Quail From: George K To: All Date Posted: Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 15:07:30 (PST) Email Address: gkrajniak@george.lhi.net Message: I Picked up a couple of Quail for training my pointer the other day. I was thinking of attaching a 30 foot thin but strong enough line to one of the birds legs and stake it down in some knee high grass (not to thick) and work with the dog on the bird without loosing that bird for future training, like Everyday! what are your thoughts on this method ? How would you recommend me working with the quail on training my GHP ?

Subject: Re: GHP with Quail From: George K To: George K Date Posted: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 17:20:37 (PST) Email Address: gkrajniak@george.lhi.net Message: Yes! they are bobwhite quails... and my GHP is a little gun shy when I shoot around her she creeps away slowly... I will work with her on the cross wind and see how she behaves.. I will keep you informed.. Thanks once again.. George K

Subject: Re: GHP with Quail From: Bob K To: George K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 07:47:32 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: George K PLEASE read this list's postings over the last month. You don't shoot a shotgun over a pup you've had 2 weeks to find out if she's noise acclimated. You've ignored a lot of good advice and are about to turn that animal into a basket case. Bob K

Subject: Re: GHP with Quail From: Sam M. To: George K Date Posted: Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 21:00:09 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: George K, Are these bobwhite quails? Some pen raised bobwhites are not very hardy birds. These birds must be able to fly when a dog get too close. The distance is determined by the bird's escape mechanisms. The ablity to escape is heavily dependent on the health and strenght of individual birds. I would consider training with bobwhite quail a one time event. Unless you are going to set up a recall pen, Johnny House or liberate them but maintain their food and water supply. Find an area that looks like quail habitate and release them one at a time so they don't fight off together. Quickly bring your dog cross wind to the bird on a check line and pinch collar. Depending on the dog's training it should do one of the following; point, run it up or blink the bird. If the dog points, great; if it runs it up, ok; if it should blink the bird, bad. Is the GSP gun broke? If it is have an assistant help you and if the dog points a quail reward the dog by shooting the bird and let it retrieve. Good luck, Sam M.

Subject: Re: GHP with Quail From: torkel To: Sam M. Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 00:01:06 (PST) Email Address: torkel@informreklambyra.se Message: Hi, here is a simple question. I've learned that GWP is what we call (but in Swedish) the wire haired vorsteh and the GSP the short haired vorsteh. But GHP? Is it the long haired vorsteh (which is very selldom seen here) or what?

Subject: Re: GHP with Quail From: George K To: torkel Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 15:59:31 (PST) Email Address: gkrajniak@george.lhi.net Message: GSP.. sorry my fault . German shorthaired pointer.. George

Subject: Re: GHP with Quail From: Sam M. To: George K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 21:58:27 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: George K, DO NOT shoot over your dog again. You need to take several step backwards and reintoduce the gun properly. Otherwise your dog could be ruined. Gun slyness is very difficult to correct. Please see others post regarding this topic. Good luck, Sam M.

Subject: Fast Shorthair From: George K To: All Date Posted: Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 16:36:39 (PST) Email Address: gkrajniak@george.lhi.net Message: When I take my GSP out.. I put 15ft rope on her.. to keep her close..because she covers so much so fast.. I would almost have to run to keep up with her.. I am afraid if let her go without the rope she would run beyond site.. Its like she dosn't care where I am at. Its happened once already .. what would be a good way to train her to hunt closer to me to so I can keep up with her? Its seems like if she gets on a deer run she will follow it forever.. mybe I should keep her away from the woods all together.. The only reason I have been taking her there is because there is partridge in one general spot and I am trying to get her active with them .. maybe thats a bad idea? My future intentions with her are to hunt Quail and Pheasant in open land.. Please help!

Subject: Re: Fast Shorthair From: Sam M. To: George K Date Posted: Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 20:18:04 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: George, Your bird dog is acting normal for its training level. As I mentioned earlier in another post, put a pinch collar on her and a check line and work on the 'here' command. Do your training right in the woods where there are alot of distractions for her. If she understands the here command than you have some control over her. Alot of dogs especially the versatile breeds like the GHP that are bred to 'hunt' fur will chase or track deer. Oftentimes the most effective method to prevent bird dogs from chasing deer or other 'non-game' is the use of an e-collar. Also, try not to run or walk too fast to get to her. Walking fast or running towards dogs could actually push dogs out farther. As for the partridge, check line her in the area so you have control over her. As Bob K. mentioned start working her on some pen raised birds or pigeons to teach her how to handle birds. Finally, relax, enjoy your dog and remember that she is a pointing dog and her range will be farther compared to flushing dogs. Good luck, Sam M.

Subject: Re: Fast Shorthair From: Bob K To: George K Date Posted: Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 17:25:27 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: George K See my comments to Randy re GSP/pointing dog range. Put a bell on your bitch to help you keep track of her. She's supposed to range out and find birds you wouldn't find yourself. If you run after her or have her pull you, you're going to have a coronary, if you're my age. Seriously, an experienced hunting dog will adapt its range to the cover. Put a fair sized bell on her and call her back only when she gets on the edge of hearing. You should also get some quail or training pigeons. As I recall your dog's still a pup and very few of us have access to enough wild birds to train dogs. Pickup one the many decent training books and spend some time with yard work and use that check cord for quartering lessions on some playground. Best of luck. Bob K

Subject: TRAINING SEMINAR From: Phil To: All Date Posted: Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 08:41:37 (PST) Email Address: J89031@aol.com Message: I am interested in sponsoring a training seminar in the Las Vegas Valley. Can yanyone help set this up? I would like to invite the trainers in this site if possible. contact me in the forum or by e mail and we can chat!!!

Subject: Re: TRAINING SEMINAR From: Sam M. To: Phil Date Posted: Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 19:35:11 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: Phil, Are you associated with the Las Vegas Bird Dog Club? West, Gibbons, and I were there last spring conducting a seminar sponsored by the club and the late Pat Procell. I'll email you for more detail. Sam M.

Subject: gun-shy brit From: Larry N. To: All Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 10:20:29 (PST) Email Address: larryn@vcn.com Message: I have a 14 month old brittainy that I have owned since his birth. Last year I took him hunting with his parents, who are both good, aggressive hunters, a couple of times. He showed some promise in looking for birds. He was fired over several times and did not seem affected in any way. The first time out this year he was working nicely until the first shot was fired, at which time he came to my heal and stayed there. The longer in between shots the more comfortable he became but he returned to my heal after a shot. I would appreciate any suggestions on helping him overcome his gun-shyness. Thanks in advance.

Subject: Re: gun-shy brit From: jim w (brit1) To: Larry N. Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 17:51:43 (PST) Email Address: lastfling1@centuryinter.net Message: just finished completing you task to come. when you feed your brit make noise like hitting the food dish, not to load at first. this way your brit will reconize the noise with something good (eating) and know that the noise will not hurt him. keep watching the eyes as you do this. when i have new liters i keep the pups in the kitchen because that is the noisiest room in the house and the pups will know that the noise will not hurt them. always let your dog know that you love him whenever you make the noise, reassure him it is not going to hurt him. also as said before by another person A blank gun, but first try a cap gun, not as loud to start with. good luck

Subject: Re: gun-shy brit From: jim w (brit1) To: Larry N. Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 17:51:25 (PST) Email Address: lastfling1@centuryinter.net Message: just finished completing you task to come. when you feed your brit make noise like hitting the food dish, not to load at first. this way your brit will reconize the noise with something good (eating) and know that the noise will not hurt him. keep watching the eyes as you do this. when i have new liters i keep the pups in the kitchen because that is the noisiest room in the house and the pups will know that the noise will not hurt them. always let your dog know that you love him whenever you make the noise, reassure him it is not going to hurt him. also as said before by another person A blank gun, but first try a cap gun, not as loud to start with. good luck

Subject: Re: gun-shy brit From: Sam M. To: Larry N. Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 10:56:11 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: DO NOT expose your Brit to another gun report! From your message it seems you did not introduce your pup to the gun other than taking him out as you described. You'll have to take a step backwards and let your dog get into birds. You might even get some pen raised birds or pigeons and let him have some fun. If he catches it that's ok. Do this several times. Now when he chases a bird and far in the distance fire a blank gun. Watch for a reaction, if the dog doesn't pay any attention to the report than you are luckly. Continue to do this until finally you can fire the blank gun closer. If the dog shows signs of 'gun-slyness' do not fire the blank gun again but continue to let him have fun, try later. Good luck, Sam M.

Subject: Re: gun-shy brit From: Sam M. To: Sam M. Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 11:00:16 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: You might also read an early tread titled 'Gun training: English Setter'. Sam M.

Subject: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? From: Randy K. To: All Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 07:16:05 (PST) Email Address: bettyd@prinsburg.ruralink.com Message: I recently returned from a hunting trip to South Dakota. Nobody in our party had a bird dog, and it became evident early into our hunt that we needed at least one! I am partial to a German Shorthair Pointer (GSP), because of their relative burr resistance (shorthair), ground clearance (height), and thier overall appearance. However, I would like to have one that will keep under 50 yds. in range when afield. I am a relative newcomer to the bird dog scene and would like any help that you can offer. I would also like any feedback you can offer concerning differences in the sex of the dog (how this affects training), how to pick out a reputable breeder and how to choose the best GSP out of a litter. The breeder I have contacted thus far has both parents available, so that I can see them at work. I would like to avoid any pitfalls if possible. I have read from earlier postings that it is like buying a car, but any help to avoid common errors would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Randy prinsburg.ruralink.com

Subject: Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? From: Bob K To: Randy K. Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 13:15:25 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: Randy You're wise to ask lots of questions. Buying a hunting dog is a big emotional and financial commitment. First ask yourself if you are mainly looking for a dog to flush and retrieve pheasants. GSP's make excellent retrievers but 50 yards hacks a pointing dog much too close, in my experience. It also takes lots of extra work to keep a young, well bred pointer that close. You could get a good Springer or Lab, spray its coat with cooking oil for the burrs and have real top quality pheasant shooting within gun range. Most novices get nervous when their pointing dogs range out to 100-150 yards, but they are out there looking for birds which they should hold until you get there. If you plan to hunt quail or grouse too, stay with a GSP; occasional ducks, get a lab. Regardless of the breed: Insist on OFA hip certifications and CERF too. Both parents and hopefully grandparents. Don't take any nonsense about it not mattering. Purebred breeding is largely regressive, i.e. you get less, not more. Breeding two b dogs gives you c puppies, not a's or b's. For that reason most breeders will go to the strongest stud available. That stud should be field trial titled in most experienced dogmen's opinion. Grandparent's titles mean less since their blood influences less. Most backyard breeders should be avoided. Once you decide on a breed, contact the breed club closest to you for recommendations and to see dogs trialed, tested etc. A pup's gender doesn't effect its training much in my experience, although bitches seem to want to come into season for the bird openers. Spaying or neutering should be positively considered. There are many ideas and methods of puppy picking. My advice is to ignore them all and let the pup pick you. You want the middle of the litter, not the biggest, slowest, or most aggressive. This got kind of long. Good Luck, Bob K

Subject: Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? From: Randy K To: Bob K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 18:21:06 (PST) Email Address: bettyd@prinsburg.ruralink.com Message: Thanks for the information. I do plan on using the dog for grouse as well as pheasant. I have no interest in waterfowling. What constitutes a 'backyard breeder?' The breeder that I have talked with has been in the business for 22 years. I have seen some of his past litters and they seem to be a reflection of their current handlers, (some good, some bad). Would a veterinarian have ideas on the breeders of GSP's in the area? How else would I find reputable breeders if there are no breeder clubs in the area? Thanks again for the information. At this stage I still would like a GSP, and should probably rethink my range that I want the dog to work in. Don't apologize for thinking your reply was too long, this information I really need at this point in time. Thanks again, Randy prinsburg,ruralink.com

Subject: Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? From: Bob K To: Randy K Date Posted: Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 06:07:40 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: Randy Your comment about sire and dam being on-site inspired my backyard breeder(BYB) comment. That stud is very unlikely to be the best available. I'd prefer to take the leftover pup from a top litter than the pick from an average one. GSP owners tend to be very competitive. Look for a DC/FC/AFC titled sire or NAVHDA utility prize 1. The pup should have a near 100% OFA/CERF pedigree. You can also research the regional GSP clubs thru www.AKC.org As a last resort, privately e-mail this guys name and I check him out. If he's been breeding for 22 years, he's got a reputation of some kind within the GSP community. Good luck. Bob K

Subject: Re: What to look for in a German Shorthair Pointer? From: Sam M. To: Randy K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 20:31:03 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: You might check out the NAVHDA website and see if they don't have a list of breeders for GSPs. A decent bird dog will adapt its range according to the grounds. In open country the dog should range much farther than in heavier cover. Sam M.

Subject: Training From: George K To: All Date Posted: Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 17:38:33 (PST) Email Address: gkrajniak@george.lhi.net Message: I am considering purchasing a bird dog training book called 'Best Way to Train Your Gun Dog ': The Delmar Smith Method by Bill. Tarrant, Jack Samson .. Has anyone heard of this book ? if so what are your thoughts of it? If not what is a good bird dog training book? I need all the help I can get .. Thank you! George

Subject: Re: Training From: Brian To: George K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 18:18:57 (PST) Email Address: Gundog_buddy@yahoo.com Message: The book that I used and found it to be helpful cause this is my first pointer, was written by Ken Roebuck. It is titled 'Gun-dog training pointing dogs'. It seemed to be written in a way that I (a man that knew nothing about pointers) could understand.

Subject: Re: Training From: Sam M. To: George K Date Posted: Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 20:15:50 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: I have a copy of the book. It was one of the first books I bought. I haven't read it for sometime now, but I remember it to be full of information. Delmar Smith is a member of American Field Hall of Fame and Tarrant recently passed away. Sam M.

Subject: Need help aggressive shorthair From: krust To: All Date Posted: Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 17:30:37 (PST) Email Address: kbrust@midusa.net Message: This dog growls at the dogs beside him. Can not put him with another dog. In the field he is fine until it comes to the retrieve when other dogs are near. If another dog gets the bird first he will attack the other dog. I am very disgusted, the dog will point back and retrieve, and a excellent hunter. Can i break that aggressiveness. Need help. The dog is 3 years old.

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: Bob K To: krust Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 13:44:02 (PST) Email Address: rkaneinc@ns.gemlink.com Message: WOW You've got a project there. A three year old GSP that bumps birds and is a fighter too! Guess you understand now why he was for sale. I assume he's a male that leaves females alone and that he's fighting for his retrieves and not the other dog's. You can 1) Hunt him alone and hope that he never gets out of your yard. 2) Let some other dog or this owner kill him for you. 3) Get a hot collar and try controlling the dog. I've heard that some trainers think that a hot hit might encourage an attack, but in your case I'd hit the dog hard anytime he growled or looked crosswise at another dog. I'd also keep him on a short leash when loading and unloading vehicles. Dogs can be trained to back thru a retrieve. It's a requirement for AKC Master Hunters. If your dog's on point, have your buddys leash their dogs to prevent interference and you do the same. Hunting with friends and well trained dogs is superb sport, but I gave up 5000 acres of some the best bird habitat in Kansas when the owner wouldn't control his fighter. Bob K

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: Sam M. To: Bob K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 20:52:40 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: I tend to agree with Bob K. regarding several of his suggestions. However, most collars are not 'hot' enough to really discourage a dog that wants to fight. If on the other hand your dog is sensitive to the e-collar set up the situation. Bring the GSP on a short lead as well as the other dog. Create the situation in which the GSP wants to fight the other dog. Just as it reaches the other dog hit the GSP with full intensity. Repeat, using different situations where the GSP shows interest in fighting. The main thing is use leads so they can't hurt each other and a very hot e-collar. Sam M.

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: krust To: Bob K Date Posted: Tues, Nov 02, 1999 at 20:48:48 (PST) Email Address: kbrust@midusa.net Message: The 2nd option sounds pretty good. Thanks for the good information. I thought dogs that were fighters were pretty much good for nothing. happy hunting

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: torkel To: krust Date Posted: Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 00:00:44 (PST) Email Address: torkel@informreklambyra.se Message: Hi. I hunt quite alot with GWP, that here in Sweden are competing in the same class as GSP. The are often considered as almost the same dog with different hair. Though the GWP is supposed to be a harder dog. But being of a german nature they are both expected to be of a non-compromise attitude. Wild boar, wounded deer, stray cats etc are in their natural 'menues'. In the old times many trainers of these dogs really expected a good 'vorsteh' to show a lot of aggressiveness. If they during early training chewed a little on the trainer the dog had a lot of potential. As far from english setters as possible. But these trainers were capable of taking this out of the dog and focus all the toughness on hunting situations. What I want to say is that some mean that an aggressiv GSP or GWP is only what you should get with a good material that's not properly handled. And 'properly' means fair but of a physical level that I definetely couldn't describe on an mail-list. I don't think I would solve this with e-collar. It's more of a man-dog situation. If he is close to you and attacks an other dog he is also attacking your leadership and should be shown the consequences of doing so. What do you think the pack leader would do with him? A good vorsteh is an very bold all-round dog that never hesitates. A perfect hunting companion if you can handle it. If you buy this dog it's also what you have to train.

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: Sam M. To: torkel Date Posted: Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 11:31:56 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: Here in America, many of the field GSP are looking more like the English Pointer than GSP 30 years ago. Perhaps because many breeders wanted more bird work and not hunt big game with their GSP. As far as I am aware, many states have laws that prevent the use of dogs on certain big game animals. In a short period of time the GSP appearance and genetic makeup has changed from the long ear hound looking dog to a more sleek lighter bodied bird dog. As far as dog fights goes, it's usually a dog trying to establish dominance over another. An owner may prevent or prolong the outcome if he's around the dog but owners can't put up with this kind of dog behavior. An owner can get bit if he gets between a dog fight. So tools much be used and the fight situation controlled to solve this problem. As I mentioned before, an e-collar is not hot enough for most fights. However, an owner may try using it if the dogs are sensitive to the stimualtion. However, Krust's situation may be different than two dogs fighting all out. Because we do not know all the facts with your dogs, any suggestions made here should be evaluated for your own purpose. Sam M.

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: krust To: Sam M. Date Posted: Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 20:56:58 (PST) Email Address: kbrust@midusa.net Message: i have not had any fights except in retrieving situations and when i kenneled him with another male dog. the electric collar does get the dog in some problems. he is very sensitive to electricity and howls and barks and this just gets the situation worse, i thought about neutering the dog do you think that would help

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: Sam M. To: krust Date Posted: Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 22:40:41 (PST) Email Address: smadamba@uplandbirddog.com Message: Krust, Do not kennel this GSP with another male, you could end up with a dead dog. I'm not sure what you mean by 'electric collar does get the dog in some problems'. Do you mean to imply that his howls and barks are the result of you using the e-collar? Neutering a male dog reduces the likelihood of wondering away from home. But, because of his age I'm not sure if his aggressiveness would be greatly reduced by neutering him now. However, check with your Vet for proper advise and recommendations. Sam M.

Subject: Re: Need help aggressive shorthair From: krust To: Sam M. Date Posted: Thurs, Nov 04, 1999 at 18:27:57 (PST) Email Address: kbrust@midusa.net Message: When the dog growls at another dog or starts to fight and you hit him with the collar he thinks the other dog is doing the hurting and the fight will start also when the collar hits him he barks and howls and that gets the other dogs excited and bad things happen. Thanks for the info he is a awful good shorthair except for that fact for his temperment i'm going to work on him, he is to good to shoot.

Subject: New Shorthair From: George To: All Date Posted: Sat, Oct 30, 1999 at 17:13:13 (PDT) Email Address: gkrajniak@george.lhi.net Message: Well I bought that GSH that I mentioned in an earlier message. Like I said before she is only 14 months old and today I found this about her. When I took her out through the hard woods and some open spots here I have seen Partridge before she kept her nose to the ground real hard like pushing the leaves like a plow .. I am guessing she picked up the scent of deer or something but she browsed very fast I had walk quickly just to keep up with her. When we would stop and rest for a while I would notice small birds flying around in trees close by but she wouldn't pay no attention to them. It also seemed she spend more time smelling the ground than looking ahead for a bird as she wandered.. She obviously needs to be trained ?? Can someone please tell me what your thoughts are on what I have observed so far on what i noted above? I would like to start training her ASAP! Here are a few more things I can tell you